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vnwags
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 Posted - 01 Apr 2007 : 8:51:52 PM
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hey i just went and pulled a manual gearbox out of a series 1 sedan and i want to put it in my auto series 2 wagon?? any help on how to go about this would be great! or is it too big of a job??
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lolo
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Posted - 01 Apr 2007 : 9:14:32 PM
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| you need to have a pedal box too... personally I'd go to a mechanic, I think you also have to change some tailshaft components |
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Butcha
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Posted - 01 Apr 2007 : 11:30:29 PM
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| well its a big job for a normal person to do, however if u take it to a mechanic with all the items required it shouldnt be any more than $1000 for them to do it |
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vnwags
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Posted - 02 Apr 2007 : 09:30:59 AM
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| yeah i got the pedal and cable and im pretty sure everything that i need but if something comes up i can go back and get it... would there be anywhere on the net that would say how to do it. coz i've got the long weekend coming up and wouldn't mind having a crack at it over the w/e and then taking it in if its a no go on the tuesday.. lol it may sound stupid but i really like to try things first myself. |
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mouce
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Posted - 02 Apr 2007 : 12:30:44 PM
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Trying things yourself is what this forum is all about 
Now I haven't done one myself, I know that trizo has mucked around with the conversion before so he can add to anything I miss out on.
You'll need to get the flywheel/clutch from the manual engine, and make sure that you're crank shaft has the same number of bolts as the flywheel. I can never remember which way around it goes, but I know one engine had 8 and one had 6 bolts.
You'll also need to get the center console, or at least the surround from the manual car, otherwise you're going to end up looking like a bit of a gump still having the PRND.... in the middle of your car.
There's a different starter motor on the manual too, so you'll need to make sure you grab that (though I think it's bolted onto the side of the box anyway), so don't forget to wire that in.
I'm sure there's more, but trizo should be able to help you, |
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pureevil
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Posted - 02 Apr 2007 : 9:08:17 PM
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| the crank shaft for a manual is longer than an auto one as well |
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vnwags
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Posted - 02 Apr 2007 : 9:51:38 PM
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ok cool thanx heaps and anyone with any more info by the weekend please post. i went to my mechanic today and he said by all means have a go at doing it and if worse comes to worse i can just get it towed in there on tuesday.  anyway thanx for the help can never get enough help when it comes to cars. and if manage a succesful swap then i'll make sure to make a how-to on it... provided i get it right haha. |
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trizo
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Posted - 03 Apr 2007 : 9:12:46 PM
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well theres not to much mouce has missed out!!! the main things to make sure are your bolts holes line up from the housing to the blok.
as 4 the s1 manual it should have 6 bolts so there may be a bit of a problem fitting the s2 auto!!!!
I was a bit lucky when did mine cause it has already been in the shop and had the xtra holes drilled and tapped( hence I can fit a s1 or s2 man or auto with out drama's cause the of those 2 little bolt holes ;) ) the tail shaft shouldnt be longer but I already had the auto one here so I didnt bother 2 chek that!!
you will need 2 put a auto set up on the trottle body 2 allow 4 the kik bak! a different starter u will need and 1 more thing make sure that the tourque converter will bolt onto the drive wheel!!! if not u may need to change that as well !!! basicaly its all straight forward its realy a matter of feeling your way around and take photo's if u have 2 if your not sure how something goes bak 2 gether!!!
All that said it was a good 8 months ago that I did mine so sorry if its all over the place !!! Also dont forget to reset your kikbak cable and your ecm when u finished !!! u may need 2 reset the kikbak a few times to get the right gear change,, 2 much kikbak and your g/b will squeal its hole out not enough and you will get wicked gear lag, find a happy medium!! hope this helps m8!! and please let us know how you go!! TRIZO |
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vnwags
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:49:58 AM
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i need to put an auto setup on the throttle body?? it should already have one seeing its an auto at the moment?? don't quite follow that one. and how will i reset and adjust the kickback cable? and one more thing can i just go in somewhere and get an extra 2 holes drilled into the flywheel if needed?? or can it be done at home or too delicate a job?? thanx for all ur help. haha it mightn't sound like it but im starting to feel confident about doing it myself>.... famous last words lol |
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trizo
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 7:14:17 PM
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wo wo wo sorry m8 I miss read your post !!!! u want to put a manual in and take your auto out???
MY BAD !!! :0 forget every thing I said ... better yet do it in reverse!!!!! 1 to many beers last night sorry again ... it will be a peice of cake get the fly wheell and clutch set up not the kikbak!!!! get the longer tailshaft and a different starter!!!!!! DONT DRILL THE HOLES IN YOUR FLYWHEEL IT IS TO DELICAT A JOB 4 THE HOME!!! buy 1 if needed it will be cheaper , like I said mine was already pre drilled and tapped! hope this clears a bit of confusion up!
and again sorry 4 the bum post m8 I totaly miss read your post !!!!!! BEER GOGGLES :p |
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vnwags
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 8:40:21 PM
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ok so heres a list of the things that i think i need so far if i've missed any please feel free to point it out
manual gearbox
clutch plate
flywheel
longer tailshaft
manual starter motor
console
pedal
clutch cable
anything else?? and whats a pressure plate? one more question once successfully completed should there be a "run in" period or will it be fine straight away? |
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trizo
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 10:59:06 PM
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| console?? should be a face plate! could b wrong . the pressure plate is what engages your gear box to engage in the required gear!! Also called a clutch plate!! By pressing the clutch pedal and compessing the cllutch/pressure plate it enables the g/b to select a gear freely .... althought it can be done by way of rpm'S (I dont recommend that 1 ) hope this clears a few things up!!!! cheerz trizo ;) |
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trizo
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:02:57 PM
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| ! more thing tail sharft is the same size ..but ..... it may need to be balanced!!! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 9:16:50 PM
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well taking the auto out is a hell of a lot harder than taking the manual out.  getting stuck into it 2moz so hopefully have some results by tuesday |
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trizo
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 09:18:28 AM
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| should take about 3 hours on ya bak m8 !! thats just to get the courage 2 get under there lol!! will be on all day m8 so if get stuck pm me!!! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 11:03:52 AM
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| i've got no problem getting under there its trying to figure out if i undo this bolt is that going to fall on my head haha. i figure im about a third of the way through it at the moment just waiting for the girlfriends brother to get up for a hand. he knows a fair bit more a bout it than me so hopefully wont be to long. trizo do u know how to ge tthe tailshaft out? |
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trizo
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 2:16:55 PM
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| just unbolt the tail shaft from the bak of the box other wise u have 2 take a sir clip outa the other end and press or punch the pin out!!! also remember to have the trolly jak under the box at all times so's if it slips it wont bend or damage anything!! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 6:55:25 PM
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| alright so the auto is now out and i have hit what seems to be a major snag. as pureevil said up further the crankshaft is different. the 2 flywheels (auto, manual) are the exact same size though the manual is a fair bit thicker. the hole in the middle of the auto flywheel is smaller than that on the manual and the auto has got 8 bolts to the 6 on the manual which i was expecting. the problem is that the manual flywheel doesn't even come close to fitting onto the crankshaft thats in there?? help!!! how do i fix this?? can i just use the auto flywheel and bolt that clutchplate onto that?? or am i seriously going to have to get a new crankshaft as well?? any thoughts or ideas??? |
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trizo
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 7:37:07 PM
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| dont quote me on this but did u try to bolt the clutch plate to the auto drive wheel/fly??? m8 I'm realy not sure about this 1?? I had not problems with mine!! If worse comes to worse get the crank setup of the other car!!! thats the only thing I can thinnk of m8!!! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 9:55:24 PM
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| do u know how much trouble it would be to get the crankshaft changed?? i would probs be better off just buying the whole motor. aaargh. it was going so well. nah i can't bolt the auto flywheel to the clutchplate coz theres no holes in it for the clutch to bolt on but what i was asking was is it possible to get the auto flywheel drilled to have the clutch on it or is there a reason why the manual flywheel is so much thicker?? |
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trizo
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 10:45:53 PM
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| dont u have 1 in your other vn?? and yeah I proberly wouldnt use the auto fly!!! I must of missed somthing cause I had no problems when I did mine !! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 10:26:25 AM
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| yeah i could go grab it but u have to take the engine out to get the crankshaft out. so i may as well just replace the whole engine |
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vnwags
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 3:47:40 PM
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| alright problem solved the series 1 vn commodore has a 6 bolt flywheel/crankshaft and the series 2 has a 8 bolt flywheel/cranshaft so all i need to do is get a series 2 manual flywheel and then everything will fall into place. i can use anything from a vn series 2 thru to a vs as they are all the same. so if anybody has one that they are willing to part with please come forward as my car is in my garage and its starting to look sad about not being driven for so long i asked motors and they only do a vs one and they wanted $925!! i nearly laughed when i was told that. so anyone with a reasonably priced one??? |
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trizo
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 6:05:45 PM
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| well hey theres half the problem sorted cheers m8 taught me sumthing! |
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vnwags
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Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 8:24:52 PM
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| ok many weeks later and i thought i had everything but the auto tailshaft wont fit into the manual box... the auto is too long. does this sound right? that i would have to get a shorter tailshaft for the manual? |
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ethanvn
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Posted - 11 May 2007 : 9:21:08 PM
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| Hey Guys do u have to change the crank shaft or not cause i was told u had to cheers???? |
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vnwags
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Posted - 15 May 2007 : 1:48:05 PM
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| no u don't need to change the crankshaft. thank god coz that would be more trouble than its worth. if u have a series 1 motor ur crankshaft should have a 6 bolt pattern on it and a series 2 will have an 8 bolt pattern on it. i have a series 2 motor and i put a series 1 gearbox on it. (technically i don't think there's any difference in the actual gearbox, just in the flywheel) so i had to buy a new series 2 manual flywheel and it went in fine. are u thinking of doing the conversion?? |
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aussiefastbowler
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Posted - 15 May 2007 : 2:13:39 PM
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I would like to do the conversion myself too, at the moment just dont have the spare parts or time to do it.
Would love my car to be manual. |
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vnwags
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Posted - 15 May 2007 : 9:50:35 PM
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| ok cool its well worth it. i will write up a how-to in the morning see if i can help out a bit |
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